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texxgadgetOn a FaceCrack feed, something popped up.
This is an angry rant from a Trump supporter.
This is NOT my opinion, but it bears SERIOUS reading and consideration.
Buried in the hate are some points that really SHOULD be addressed.
Please dont shoot me for posting this.
I am a true believer in "Keep freinds close, keep enemies closer"
Seriously, even if you disagree with this angry guy, thoroughly consider his points.
If you just write hiom off as a nut case, we will have even more trouble in 2024.
The key to NOT repeating the last 4 years on steroids is in reading and UNDERSTANDING this guys points.
I dont expect anyone to agree with him, but it is critical that we at the very least
UNDERSTAND where his rage comes from.
Proceed at your own risk. This is NOT pretty by any means.
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The malevolence of a certain Trump supporter, in his own words:
“You are a liberal who can’t stand Trump, and cannot possibly fathom why anyone would ever vote for him, let me fill you in.
It’s not that we love Donald Trump so much. It’s that we can’t stand you.
And we will do whatever it takes — even if that means electing a rude, obnoxious, unpredictable, narcissist (your words not ours) to the office of President of the United States — because the thing we find more dangerous to this nation than Donald Trump is YOU.
How is that possible, you might ask?
Well, you have done everything in your power to destroy our country, from tearing down the police to tearing down our history to tearing down our borders. From systematically destroying our schools and brainwashing our kids into believing socialism is the answer to anything (despite being an unmitigated failure everywhere), while demonizing religion and faith, and glorifying abortion, violence, and thug culture.
From calling us racists every time we expect everyone of any skin color to follow our laws equally, to gaslighting us about 52 genders, polyamory, grown men in dresses sharing public locker rooms with little girls, and normalize the sexualization of young children, you simultaneously ridicule us for having the audacity to wish someone a “Merry Christmas” or hang a flag on the 4th of July, stand for the national anthem, or (horror of horrors) don a MAGA hat in public.
So much for your “tolerance.”
(See why we think you are just hypocrites??)
We’re also not interested in the fact that you think you can unilaterally decide that 250 years of the right-to-bear-arms against a tyrannical or ineffective government should be abolished because you can’t get the violence in the cities you manage under control. That free-speech should be tossed out the window, and that those who disagree with your opinions are fair game for public harassment or doxing. That spoiled children with nose-rings and tats who still live off their parent’s dime should be allowed to destroy cities and peoples livelihoods without repercussions. That chaos, and lawlessness, and disrespect for authority should be the norm.
This is your agenda. And you wonder why we find you more dangerous than Donald Trump?
Your narrative is a constant drone of oppressor/oppressed race-baiting intended to divide the country in as many ways as you possibly can. You love to sell “victim-hood” to people of color every chance you get because it’s such an easy sell, compared to actually teaching people to stand on their own two feet and take personal responsibility for their own lives and their own communities and their own futures. But you won’t do that, you will never do that, because then you will lose control over people of color. They might actually start thinking for themselves, God forbid!
This is why we will vote for Donald Trump.
Not because he is the most charming character on the block.
Not because he is the most polite politician to have ever graced the oval office.
Not because he is the most palatable choice, or because we love his moral character or because the man never lies, but because we are sick to death of you and all of the destructive crap you are doing to this once beautiful and relatively safe country.
Your ineffective and completely dysfunctional liberal “leadership”(?) has literally destroyed our most beautiful cities, our public education system, and done it’s damndest to rip faith out of people’s lives.
However bad Donald Trump may be, and he is far from perfect, every day we look at you and feel that no matter what Donald Trump says or does there is no possible way he could be any worse for our country than you people are.
We are sick to death of your stupid, destructive, ignorant, and intolerant behavior and beliefs — parading as “wokeness.” We are beyond sick of your hypocrisy and B.S.
We are fed up with your disrespectful divisiveness and constant unrelenting harping and whining and complaining (while you live in the most privileged nation in the world), while making literally zero contributions of anything positive to our society. Your entire focus is on ripping things down, never ever building anything up. Think about that as there is something fundamentally very wrong in the psychology of people who choose destruction as their primary modus operandi.
When Donald J Trump is reelected, don’t blame us, look in the mirror and blame yourselves, because you are the ones that are responsible for the rise of Donald Trump. You are the ones who have created this "monster" that you so despise, by your very actions, by your refusal to respect your fellow Americans, and the things that are important to us.
You have made fun of the “fly-over states,” the people who “cling to their guns and religion,” the middle class factory workers and coal miners and underprivileged rural populations that you dismissively call “yahoos” and “deplorables.” You have mocked our faith and our religion. You have mocked our values and our patriotism. You have trampled our flag and insulted our veterans and treated our first responders with contempt and hatred.
You have made environmentalism your religion, while trashing every city you have taken responsibility for. You scream from the rooftops about “global warming” and a “green new deal” while allowing tens of thousands of homeless people to cover your streets in literal sh!t and garbage and needles and plastic waste without doing a single thing to help them or solve the environmental crisis your failed social policies are creating. But we’re supposed to put YOU in charge of the environment while gutting our entire economy to institute this plan when you can’t even clean up a single city??
You complain — endlessly — yet have failed to solve a single social problem anywhere. In fact, all you have done is create more of them.
We’ve had enough. We are tired of quietly sitting by and being the “silent” majority. So don’t be surprised when the day comes when we finally respond. And trust me it’s coming, sooner than you might think. And also trust me when I say it won’t be pretty. Get ready.
When Donald Trump is reelected it will be because you and your “comrades” have chosen to trash the police, harass law-abiding citizens, and go on rampages destroying public property that we have all paid for and you have zero respect for.
When Donald Trump is reelected, it will be because we are sick of your complete and utter nonsense and destruction. How does it feel to know that half of this country finds you FAR more despicable than Donald J. Trump, the man you consider to be the anti-Christ?
Let that sink in.
We consider you to be more despicable, more dangerous, more stupid, and more narcissistic than Donald Trump. Maybe allow yourself a few seconds of self-reflection to let that sink in. This election isn’t about Donald Trump vs. Joe Biden.
This is about Donald Trump vs YOU.
So, if on the morning of November 4 (or more likely January 19, by the time the Supreme Court will weigh in on the mail-in ballot fiasco that we are headed towards), and Donald J. Trump is reelected?
The only people you have to blame is the left-wing media drones and yourselves.
You did this.
Yep, you.”
====================
Once again, this is NOT my opinion.
This is an angry rant from a Trump supporter.
This is NOT my opinion, but it bears SERIOUS reading and consideration.
Buried in the hate are some points that really SHOULD be addressed.
Please dont shoot me for posting this.
I am a true believer in "Keep freinds close, keep enemies closer"
Seriously, even if you disagree with this angry guy, thoroughly consider his points.
If you just write hiom off as a nut case, we will have even more trouble in 2024.
The key to NOT repeating the last 4 years on steroids is in reading and UNDERSTANDING this guys points.
I dont expect anyone to agree with him, but it is critical that we at the very least
UNDERSTAND where his rage comes from.
Proceed at your own risk. This is NOT pretty by any means.
=============================
The malevolence of a certain Trump supporter, in his own words:
“You are a liberal who can’t stand Trump, and cannot possibly fathom why anyone would ever vote for him, let me fill you in.
It’s not that we love Donald Trump so much. It’s that we can’t stand you.
And we will do whatever it takes — even if that means electing a rude, obnoxious, unpredictable, narcissist (your words not ours) to the office of President of the United States — because the thing we find more dangerous to this nation than Donald Trump is YOU.
How is that possible, you might ask?
Well, you have done everything in your power to destroy our country, from tearing down the police to tearing down our history to tearing down our borders. From systematically destroying our schools and brainwashing our kids into believing socialism is the answer to anything (despite being an unmitigated failure everywhere), while demonizing religion and faith, and glorifying abortion, violence, and thug culture.
From calling us racists every time we expect everyone of any skin color to follow our laws equally, to gaslighting us about 52 genders, polyamory, grown men in dresses sharing public locker rooms with little girls, and normalize the sexualization of young children, you simultaneously ridicule us for having the audacity to wish someone a “Merry Christmas” or hang a flag on the 4th of July, stand for the national anthem, or (horror of horrors) don a MAGA hat in public.
So much for your “tolerance.”
(See why we think you are just hypocrites??)
We’re also not interested in the fact that you think you can unilaterally decide that 250 years of the right-to-bear-arms against a tyrannical or ineffective government should be abolished because you can’t get the violence in the cities you manage under control. That free-speech should be tossed out the window, and that those who disagree with your opinions are fair game for public harassment or doxing. That spoiled children with nose-rings and tats who still live off their parent’s dime should be allowed to destroy cities and peoples livelihoods without repercussions. That chaos, and lawlessness, and disrespect for authority should be the norm.
This is your agenda. And you wonder why we find you more dangerous than Donald Trump?
Your narrative is a constant drone of oppressor/oppressed race-baiting intended to divide the country in as many ways as you possibly can. You love to sell “victim-hood” to people of color every chance you get because it’s such an easy sell, compared to actually teaching people to stand on their own two feet and take personal responsibility for their own lives and their own communities and their own futures. But you won’t do that, you will never do that, because then you will lose control over people of color. They might actually start thinking for themselves, God forbid!
This is why we will vote for Donald Trump.
Not because he is the most charming character on the block.
Not because he is the most polite politician to have ever graced the oval office.
Not because he is the most palatable choice, or because we love his moral character or because the man never lies, but because we are sick to death of you and all of the destructive crap you are doing to this once beautiful and relatively safe country.
Your ineffective and completely dysfunctional liberal “leadership”(?) has literally destroyed our most beautiful cities, our public education system, and done it’s damndest to rip faith out of people’s lives.
However bad Donald Trump may be, and he is far from perfect, every day we look at you and feel that no matter what Donald Trump says or does there is no possible way he could be any worse for our country than you people are.
We are sick to death of your stupid, destructive, ignorant, and intolerant behavior and beliefs — parading as “wokeness.” We are beyond sick of your hypocrisy and B.S.
We are fed up with your disrespectful divisiveness and constant unrelenting harping and whining and complaining (while you live in the most privileged nation in the world), while making literally zero contributions of anything positive to our society. Your entire focus is on ripping things down, never ever building anything up. Think about that as there is something fundamentally very wrong in the psychology of people who choose destruction as their primary modus operandi.
When Donald J Trump is reelected, don’t blame us, look in the mirror and blame yourselves, because you are the ones that are responsible for the rise of Donald Trump. You are the ones who have created this "monster" that you so despise, by your very actions, by your refusal to respect your fellow Americans, and the things that are important to us.
You have made fun of the “fly-over states,” the people who “cling to their guns and religion,” the middle class factory workers and coal miners and underprivileged rural populations that you dismissively call “yahoos” and “deplorables.” You have mocked our faith and our religion. You have mocked our values and our patriotism. You have trampled our flag and insulted our veterans and treated our first responders with contempt and hatred.
You have made environmentalism your religion, while trashing every city you have taken responsibility for. You scream from the rooftops about “global warming” and a “green new deal” while allowing tens of thousands of homeless people to cover your streets in literal sh!t and garbage and needles and plastic waste without doing a single thing to help them or solve the environmental crisis your failed social policies are creating. But we’re supposed to put YOU in charge of the environment while gutting our entire economy to institute this plan when you can’t even clean up a single city??
You complain — endlessly — yet have failed to solve a single social problem anywhere. In fact, all you have done is create more of them.
We’ve had enough. We are tired of quietly sitting by and being the “silent” majority. So don’t be surprised when the day comes when we finally respond. And trust me it’s coming, sooner than you might think. And also trust me when I say it won’t be pretty. Get ready.
When Donald Trump is reelected it will be because you and your “comrades” have chosen to trash the police, harass law-abiding citizens, and go on rampages destroying public property that we have all paid for and you have zero respect for.
When Donald Trump is reelected, it will be because we are sick of your complete and utter nonsense and destruction. How does it feel to know that half of this country finds you FAR more despicable than Donald J. Trump, the man you consider to be the anti-Christ?
Let that sink in.
We consider you to be more despicable, more dangerous, more stupid, and more narcissistic than Donald Trump. Maybe allow yourself a few seconds of self-reflection to let that sink in. This election isn’t about Donald Trump vs. Joe Biden.
This is about Donald Trump vs YOU.
So, if on the morning of November 4 (or more likely January 19, by the time the Supreme Court will weigh in on the mail-in ballot fiasco that we are headed towards), and Donald J. Trump is reelected?
The only people you have to blame is the left-wing media drones and yourselves.
You did this.
Yep, you.”
====================
Once again, this is NOT my opinion.
Neo-con BS
Date: 2020-09-19 09:40 (UTC)It's all lies and decades of GOP propaganda about liberals. What these idiots hate is a charicature of "liberals" created by the GOP. They refuse to see that the best things about our country have socialist roots, and that these socialist things are what enables capitalism to be accessible to everyone (or at least were until the oligarchs started whittling them away by buying politicians and propaganda ads.)
Take the BS about homelessness. Do these twits know why we have so much homelessness? Because the GOP, starting with Reagan and that asshole Gingrich slowly eliminated the funding for the HUD, which is the agency that provided income supported housing. But they don't see that, all they see is the propaganda about drugs, "personal responsibility" and "bootstraps".
Lets look at the shit about "faith". Waaaah, waaaah, waaah. Christians are the MOST privileged religion in this country. We have government holidays rooted in their religion. Even Judaism, the next most populous religion in this country, is burdened by their pervasive, suffocating privilege. But heaven help us if we want to be free from our laws enforcing their stinking religion. Their precious "faith" is so threatened when we get FUCKING SICK of hearing their insistence on fucking "Merry Christmas", a holiday that means oppression to many of us. We try to be neutral, saying "Happy Holidays", but they play the aggrieved victim because we won't kowtow to their fucking Christ and money-grubbing preachers. Boo hoo, privileged dickwads. We're sick to shit of their religion and their churches dictating civil and legal actions. We're sick to shit of having to go to court just to take their death cult religion out of courts and schools that are for everyone, not just the privileged Christians (specifically evangelical protestants.) These fucking Christians are *constantly* playing the victim, so it's pretty rich that he accused liberals of "playing the victim". Pot, meet kettle.
They wanna talk guns? When they have kids with rifles shooting people for exercising their fucking First Amendment rights? When their fellow traveler racists shoot up schools and churches? When mass shootings happen by "lone wolves" who just happen to spout the same conservative, often racist rhetoric? They don't seem to be able to control their guns and gunners, so someone has to. I'm a second amendment liberal, and I support real background checks and bans on "assault" style rifles (long arms that can fire multiple shots for each trigger pull.)
The destruction of cities? Where? The worse destruction anywhere has happened because of GOP cheese paring of public works funding, because they are more interested in helping out their corporate donors than the little people like you and me. I doubt he's been to a city in years, he just watches the propaganda on Fox, and being the gullible idiot that he is, swallows it hook line and sinker like it was gospel out of his pedophile preacher's mouth.
About "patriotism" - these conservative cocksuckers talk the big talk about "support the troops", but year after year cheese-pare the budget for the VA. Their guy Trump robbed money for on-base housing and schools to build his useless border wall. It used to be if you went in, you got lifetime medical. Now, you don't. The GOP did that, not "liberals". Hell, half of the shit that this clown blames liberals for is the result of budget cuts by the GOP.
But this dickface won't see that.
Seriously, most of his rant is rooted in cis-het-white-male Christian privilege, and GOP propaganda. The level of hate present I'm sure the Russians love, because what they want is another American civil war. The author of that rant is a gullible, privileged fool who thinks that cis, white, heterosexual Christian men should be top dogs forever, and be able to dictate every fucking little thing to everyone else, under pain of prison or death, and whines like a fucking little bully child when he doesn't get his way. He is full of so much racism, hetero-sexism, and religious bigotry that it's fucking sick.
This is pure GOP propaganda and revisionism.
If he gets his fucking civil war, I will happily shoot him. He and his are a waste of space, and my religion doesn't demand that I tolerate fools and assholes like that.
He's not "good people" if he is so gullible that he believes all that hateful propaganda.
This sick shit is what Trump and the GOP have done to our country - brainwashed people into believing pure distorted bullshit about their fellow citizens.
The red state assholes who believe like this should be required to all move into their confederate flag south, and then the nation should split into red and blue. The blue area will have all the intellect, scientific research and engineering colleges, and the red can have all the oxy addicts and megachurches. They can become "Jesusland", and have their theocracy, but anyone who doesn't want to live under that has to be allowed to leave, and anyone who doesn't want to live in the fact based world and advocates Christian "lsw" or white supremacy gets deported to Jesusland.
Re: Neo-con BS
Date: 2021-02-08 23:05 (UTC)Much thought goes into this reply.
Part of the problem is that people are unwilling to walk in someone elses
shoes.
I still see you unwilling to try on certain shoes.
This concerns me.
Some thoughts:
Without personal gun ownership, we would have lost FAR MORE civil
liberties over the last 50 years.
Yah, improper enforcement of existing gun laws creates a lot of carnage,
but an armed population keeps the govt more or less in line.
The hysterical screaming about "assault weapons" is rediculous.
An "assault weapon" is anything Diane Feinstein doesnt like.
Adding a handle to the top for carrying it makes it an assault weapon,
despite the fact that it does nothing to change the lethality of it.
In fact, most of the things that make something an assault weapon are
cosmetic.
The Evangelical Christians are becoming a menace.
They were willing to overlook Trumps attempt to become
President for Life as long as they got their precious Supreme Court pick.
One of their good christian Supreeme Court picks is a sexual predator.
It is the Evangelical Christians who supress women and support white
supremacy.
I AM a Consercative. Trump is NOT.
He is everybit as right wing radical at AOC is leftwing radical.
Personally Id like to put the 2 of them in a cage and let them duke it
out.
The Democrats are partially at fault for this mess.
They have been pandering to "fashionable demographic of the week" and
liberal leaning corporate America.
They have been ignoring blue collar, particularly the largest voting
block in the country, non college educated white males.
They insult him, but take his vote for granted since hes "labor".
In 2016, this block was sick of being ignored and decided to shake things
up by voting for Trump.
Trump went from being a joke to a serious candidate by reaching out to
this voting block.
There are still peoiple who believe Hillary won and that Trump was
"installed" to avoid having a woman president.
Hillary ran an incompetent campaign.
Hillary never set foot in states where she desperately SHOULD have, calling them "deplorables".
Her entire platform was "Hes a BAD MAN!"
To be honest with you, I think Hillary is almost as big a crook as Trump
is, shes just smart enough not to get caught.
Anyone who studied poly sci (I DID), will tell you that there are
several bingo cards in the Electoral College that will win over a
popular vote.
This is partially true because state electoral votes are "winner take
all."
The constitution says the EC elects the president.
I seriously doubt the votes are there to remove it from the constitution.
What IS doable is changing how state votes to the EC are awarded.
"Politics is the art of the possible"
-Bert Coffey, CA State Dem Party Chair
Biden is about to set the stage for Ted Cruz to win in 2024.
He has brought his "Rainbow Coalition" to the Cabinet.
He has his colors, orientations, religions etc.
If he does not do something REALLY NICE for "Archie Bunker", and win
over the non college educated white males, Kamala will be toast in 2024.
Cruz will point at her, yell "Socialist!" and the Republicans will win
again in 2024.
One of the shoes you are not yet ready to try on are the rank and file of
the Republicans.
Have you asked yourself WHY the Republicans are willing to put up with
Trump?
I think you would be shocked to find out how much the Republicans LOATHE
the Trumps.
The problem is that the Trumps control the largest voting block in the
country and the Republicans are in danger of falling below the Green
party in political relevance in this country.
Trump may be out of the Whitehouse, but the party is still scared
shitless of pissing him off.
As a result their choice is whether to play along with him and
permanently tarnish the party, or let the party wither, die and blow
away.
As it is, they will eventually do just that. Look at Georgia.
Trump KINDA cost them the Senate, but not quite.
GA has been evolving politically, slowly.
When I was in HS, being outed as gay, you might have to leave school.
Now schools (in non COVID years) have gay dances. The younger gen, for the most party just dont care whos gay.
The millenials are finally starting to come out for the vote.
Except the Evangelicals, the country is moving in the progressivew
direction and Linsay Graham (closet case), and Mitch the schnorer are
on their way out.
I gotta go, but in the end, the US is going to go Socialist, and its
going to be the Republicans who take us there.
All those corp types trying to cut costs haave automated faar more jobs
than have been outsourced.
The only safe jobs from automation are SW Eng jobs and even some SW is
now written by machines.
You cant have everyone in the world as an SW Eng.
If people are out of work, there arent enough 1%ers to keep the economy going.
We either fall apart and go back to the 1800s, or we put 90% of the population on welfare, paid by taxing the rich.
Yup, the Republicans are going to take us to Socialism.
Id love to chisel THAT on Reagans tombstone.
I can run a steam engine, and I can run a printing press.
Ill have to pick this up another time.
(Im working 2 jobs right now)
Re: Neo-con BS
Date: 2021-02-09 08:25 (UTC)>Ive had time to consider your message.
>Much thought goes into this reply.
>Part of the problem is that people are unwilling to walk in someone elses shoes.
Yes, like most of the right.
>I still see you unwilling to try on certain shoes. This concerns me.
It shouldn't. Also, I don't walk in shoes that want me dead. Plus, I've worn certain shoes that you don't know.
>Some thoughts:
>Without personal gun ownership, we would have lost FAR MORE civil
>liberties over the last 50 years.
True. I'm a 2a Liberal
>Yah, improper enforcement of existing gun laws creates a lot of carnage,
>but an armed population keeps the govt more or less in line.
Except when that armed population decides to try to overthrow a Constitutionally elected government.
>The hysterical screaming about "assault weapons" is ridiculous.
>An "assault weapon" is anything Diane Feinstein doesn't like.
>Adding a handle to the top for carrying it makes it an assault weapon,
>despite the fact that it does nothing to change the lethality of it.
>In fact, most of the things that make something an assault weapon are cosmetic.
So? Here's the problem with so-called "assault" weapons: Full auto sends lots of death into crowds of people. I don't care about cosmetic appearance. I care about rate of fire. As long as the weapon can't go full auto, it should be fine, no matter how scary it looks.
>The Evangelical Christians are becoming a menace.
Actually, they've been a menace for years. I left the church in 1979 because of it. Dominionists want to make us be like Gilead.
>They were willing to overlook Trumps attempt to become
>President for Life as long as they got their precious Supreme Court pick.
Yep. The right wing judges that Fucking Mitch McConnell is so proud of are evangelical corporatists - anti-secular, anti-gay, anti-labor, anti-civil rights, anti-abortion, anti-woman, and anti-immigrant.
>One of their good christian Supreme Court picks is a sexual predator.
So are a lot of their ministers, so he fits right in in that regard.
>It is the Evangelical Christians who suppress women and support white supremacy.
And thus, the GOP as well. They wed themselves to the dominionists years ago. The GOP *is* the Evangelical Christian Party.
>I AM a Conservative. Trump is NOT.
True. Most of the GOP these days is NOT.
>He is every bit as right wing radical at AOC is leftwing radical.
AOC is far less radical, in that she doesn't want to put children in cages and let people die of a pandemic because of lies and machismo.
Oh, horrors, she wants a living wage and universal healthcare! What a demon in disguise! /s
>Personally Id like to put the 2 of them in a cage and let them duke it out.
My money's on AOC, unless Trump just fell on her.
>The Democrats are partially at fault for this mess.
Yeah, they've been soft on corporatists
>They have been pandering to "fashionable demographic of the week" and liberal leaning corporate America.
Oh, you mean they acknowledge black, brown, female and LGDBTQ+ people as people? Oh, the horror!!
Are cis white male feefees hurt by letting other people spend time as the center of attention too?
This is not "pandering". It is actually paying attention to something other than cis het white Christian males as the start and end of their politics. Surprise, there are other people who don't look like them whose lives count too!
I've spent plenty of time in the white Christian patriarchal cocoon. Fucking stifling, since I wasn't born male.
>They have been ignoring blue collar, particularly the largest voting
>block in the country, non college educated white males.
Still wanting to privilege white men. Demographically, cis het white men are a minority. Why should the left coddle people who think that they are still the best, most powerful majority because of their skin color and gender?
>They insult him, but take his vote for granted since hes "labor".
Insult him how? Is telling him that coal is not coming back an insult? Is telling him that he is no longer the majority an insult? Is telling him that he needs to share power with people who don't look like him an insult? Is telling him that he can't force his religion on others an insult?
When everyone becomes empowered, the former power hoarders will feel oppressed. Too bad.
>In 2016, this block was sick of being ignored and decided to shake things up by voting for Trump.
Yeah, a woman was on the ballot after a black man, both of which are horrifying to the poor threatened, insecure white male. The reason they voted for Trump was because he looked like them, and they couldn't handle more time with a president who didn't look like them, especially a woman that the GOP had spent 20 years trying to frame as "corrupt".
I have no empathy for that idiocy, voting for the "Leopards Eating Faces" party in the hopes it would put all those uppity minorities back in the "proper place" before it ate their face.
>Trump went from being a joke to a serious candidate by reaching out to this voting block.
Yes, Trump won based on white grievance. Poor little white boys, they weren't the lord and master over women and non-whites any more.
>There are still people who believe Hillary won and that Trump was "installed" to avoid having a woman president.
She literally won the popular vote. If it wasn't for the infernal EC, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
IMO, Trump and the GOP cheated by gerrymandering, voter suppression, voter disenfranchisement and plain lying to people about when and where to vote. Plus, some of the EHS voting machines are hackable. BUT, after the votes were counted and all questions were mostly resolved, Hillary conceded gracefully, instead of inciting an insurrection against Congress itself like Trump did.
>Hillary ran an incompetent campaign.
True
>Hillary never set foot in states where she desperately SHOULD have, calling them "deplorables".
God, guns and gays. White supremacy. IMO, they've just proven her right.
>Her entire platform was "He's a BAD MAN!"
He is. She used to run in the same circles, so she'd know. Hell, IIRC Bill Clinton hung out with Epstein, along with Trump. The f'ing New Yorkers kept telling us he was bad, too. She was right - he's the embodiment of the seven deadly sins.
>To be honest with you, I think Hillary is almost as big a crook as Trump
>is, shes just smart enough not to get caught.
No. She isn't. That's GOP propaganda.
Bill is more crooked than she is, because he's a sexual predator. OTOH, that's never a problem for the GOP. Just look at the likes of Kavanaugh, or Gingrich, or any number of sexual predators in GOP colors.
>Anyone who studied poly sci (I DID), will tell you that there are several bingo cards in the
>Electoral College that will win over a popular vote.
>This is partially true because state electoral votes are "winner take all."
Which is why the EC is an anachronism. It's a holdover from the fact that the south wanted more power without giving up their slaves. The 3/5 compromise was what put the thumb on the EC scale for the South.
>The constitution says the EC elects the president.
The EC is supposed to represent the votes in their state.
>I seriously doubt the votes are there to remove it from the constitution.
I doubt it too. Unfortunately.
>What IS doable is changing how state votes to the EC are awarded.
I'd be for it. As it stands now, a vote from Wyoming is worth about four times what mine is.
>"Politics is the art of the possible"
>-Bert Coffey, CA State Dem Party Chair
Yeah, I heard the same from Zoe Lofgren when I met with her several years ago.
>Biden is about to set the stage for Ted Cruz to win in 2024.
>He has brought his "Rainbow Coalition" to the Cabinet.
>He has his colors, orientations, religions etc.
How white of you.
They're all more qualified by an order of magnitude than what Trump had. They represent more of the country than just white men who coasted to success on daddy's money.
Do you really not think that those people are at least as qualified as the white turds that Trump had? Or do you forget that non-white, non-christian, non-straight, non-male people have to work two to five times as hard to get to where white men get just by breathing and being able to string a sentence together?
You are spewing cis white male grievance at me, and I have no patience for it, since I am not cis or male.
>If he does not do something REALLY NICE for "Archie Bunker", and win
>over the non college educated white males, Kamala will be toast in 2024.
Why should he do something for the guy who has life on the default easiest setting?
Seriously: Stimulus, increase minimum wage, universal healthcare, improved infrastructure, green jobs to replace coal and oil jobs, clean air, clean water, address the price gouging by Pharma companies, etc. Which of these does not benefit "Archie Bunker"?
IMO, minimum wage should be a big thing for non-college educated men. Jobs on the low end of the pay scale have been falling farther and farther behind in purchasing power for decades now. Plus, all the nice blue collar manufacturing jobs are gone, pushed overseas by GOP tax cuts and loopholes that reward companies for offshoring.
Also, bear in mind that most of this stuff is Congress, not the President.
>Cruz will point at her, yell "Socialist!" and the Republicans will win again in 2024.
IMO, Cruz will have other problems before then, stemming from his part in the insurrection.
Do you know why Kamala got driven out of the primary? It's because the GOP/foreign disinfo campaign called her a "cop", and so did the Bernie Bros.
>One of the shoes you are not yet ready to try on are the rank and file of the Republicans.
You're sort of right. I'm no longer willing to wear those high heels, which is what female Republicans wear to church on Sundays. I spent my childhood in the Midwest. My parents voted Republican. I was raise4d Baptist. How rank and file do I need to be?
So no, its not "not ready to try on", it's "was raised wearing and I burned them".
>Have you asked yourself WHY the Republicans are willing to put up with Trump?
Sure. The answer is white grievance at no longer being in the majority.
>I think you would be shocked to find out how much the Republicans LOATHE the Trumps.
Not really. I know people who work on the Lincoln Project.
>The problem is that the Trumps control the largest voting block in the country and the
>Republicans are in danger of falling below the Green party in political relevance in this country.
Yep. And hitching their wagon to Trump *accelerated* that problem. Look up how many people have left the GOP since January 6th.
Look at what's happening with the Q crazies. These people have left reality.
>Trump may be out of the Whitehouse, but the party is still scared shitless of pissing him off.
True.
The Russians hacked both the DNC and RNC email servers. They released, via wikileaks, the DNC emails. They kept the RNC emails. Ever wonder why? The simplest answer is one word: kompromat. They could blackmail the RNC more easily than the DNC.
IMO, Lindsey Graham is the most obvious "switch" from that. So is Ted Cruz - Trump insulted his father and his wife, but Ted still kisses his ass. Wonder why? Occams Razor says Trump has something on all of them.
>As a result their choice is whether to play along with him and permanently tarnish the party,
>or let the party wither, die and blow away.
The party is doomed anyway. Trump has caused a split between actual conservatives and Trumpians
>As it is, they will eventually do just that. Look at Georgia.
>Trump KINDA cost them the Senate, but not quite.
He was a big factor, IMO. The fact that the two GOP incumbents were blatantly corrupt and white supremacist didn't help either.
>GA has been evolving politically, slowly.
Yes, due to non-white people stepping up and being heard. This, of course, causes white voters guts to turn to water in fear.
>When I was in HS, being outed as gay, you might have to leave school.
Yep. Even here in California it was a way of bullying people
>Now schools (in non COVID years) have gay dances. The younger gen, for the most part
>just don't care who's gay.
Yep. But bubba six pack sure does, so he runs farther into the arms of the evangelical church and white supremacy.
>The millenials are finally starting to come out for the vote.
Yep.
>Except the Evangelicals, the country is moving in the progressivew direction and
>Linsay Graham (closet case), and Mitch the schnorer are on their way out.
Yep. I half expect Mitch to drop dead on the Senate floor of a heart attack. His hands are purple with bruising, and he doesn't look well.
>I gotta go, but in the end, the US is going to go Socialist, and its
>going to be the Republicans who take us there.
Yeah, in reaction to corporatism
>All those corp types trying to cut costs have automated far more jobs than have been outsourced.
>The only safe jobs from automation are SW Eng jobs and even some SW is now written by machines.
Yep, and those are outsourced
>You cant have everyone in the world as an SW Eng.
Yeah, some people just don't think like that
>If people are out of work, there arent enough 1%ers to keep the economy going.
True. Which is why the GOP whining about the stimulus is falling on deaf ears. Plus, the 1%ers have become so bloated by 40 years of tinkle on economics that the wealth gap is at French Revolution levels, and that's bad for democracy.
>We either fall apart and go back to the 1800s, or we put 90% of the population on welfare,
>paid by taxing the rich.
Yep. We will need UBI, and a return to cottage craft industry, or end up with a bloody revolution fought by people who have nothing left to lose.
>Yup, the Republicans are going to take us to Socialism.
>Id love to chisel THAT on Reagans tombstone.
Hahahahaha!
>I can run a steam engine, and I can run a printing press.
I can make soap, do both water bath and pressure canning, and I sew (like all one time SCA folks.)
>Ill have to pick this up another time.
>(Im working 2 jobs right now)
At least you're working. I got laid off, my last paycheck was in October.
Let me tell you, interviewing as a 59 year old enby who is jaded and cynical is not fun. Everyone wants a bright, naive 20 something who knows all the buzzwords.Feh.